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Abortion

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  • Started 11 months ago by JD
  • Latest reply from harmlessgoat22
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    Posted 11 months ago #

    JD

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    1) Is a human fetus a human being?
    2) Should it be allowed at all?
    3) If no, what about rape cases?
    4) Mother's decision or mother and father's decision?

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    Posted 11 months ago #

    harmlessgoat22

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    1) Yes. But since you can't prove either way, better safe than sorry, therefore, abortion should be illegal unless you can prove for a fact that it ISN'T a human being, instead of just not being able to prove that it is human.
    2) No
    3) Two wrongs don't make a right
    4) Neither.

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    RHeiden

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    1) No, its a fetus. Though it is alive. Else; Define Human Being.
    2) Only in case 3.
    3) See 2.
    4) Only a fathers...nvm..well I guess that is for them both to decide.
    Though, this answer makes it both I guess.

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    Posted 9 months ago #

    harmlessgoat22

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    At Roelof: it is a fetus of a human being. Fetus and human are no more contradictory than Corvette and car.

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    Posted 9 months ago #

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    1) I don't know. Can it think like a developed thinker can? No. It might think. I don't really know. It is alive. That's all I know.
    2) Yes. It kind of has to be allowed if you're going to allow it for a rape case. Rape cases are hard to prove. And someone could just as easily fake a rape to get an abortion.
    3) The whole 'if only' thing really can't work. Until rapes can be proven 100%, then it will have to be allowed for everyone.
    4) Ultimately it is the mother's decision. But the couple can work it out.

    Note: This is such a gray area so I really have a hard time siding with one side. I'm pro life, yes. But rape cases are prevalent and are going to happen. I don't think state sanctioned murder is right, so therefore it would be logical for me to disagree with abortion. But I really think it is the mother's choice. In a perfect world there would be no abortions. But contraceptives aren't always used, surprise sex happens, what can you do? Abortions would happen anyway, even if it were illegal. Why not have it done in a safer manner?

    I don't care what religion has to say. I really only care about what the mother has to say.

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    Posted 8 months ago #

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    1) Human DNA does not make something human. A human is more than just a cluster of cells, it is also a mind and a soul. However, just because it is not a human (yet) does not mean it shouldn't be allowed to live its life.
    2) As Nic said, abortions will take place no matter what. It is illegal to text while driving in some areas, but people still do it. If it is possible to make abortions safe, let it happen. There are things that you just have to allow no matter how much you disagree with them.
    4) I think the father's opinion matters more than has been shown by the discussion so far. The fetus is half of him, and he should have an equal say in the matter. Though this might lead to many, many more court hearings on whether the abortion should come it, the back-alley abortion might eventually happen if the court rules in the father's hypothetical "pro-life" plea. As Nic said, couples can (and should be able to) work it out.

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    Posted 8 months ago #

    harmlessgoat22

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    1. JD/Nic: By this standard, a newly born baby should not count as human because it can't think logically and doesn't have the development mentally to have a "soul".
    2. Murder is illegal as well, but it still happens. If it were legalized but done in special facilities, it would be less painful. Should we legalize it?
    3. Really, this whole thing comes down to whether you think the fetus is human or not. If the fetus IS human, then you shouldn't be allowed to kill it no matter what, including rape cases. If it isn't human, then there is no reason to make abortion illegal at all (unless, as in Battlestar Galactica, they are trying to keep the human race alive and the population is diminishing...).

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    Posted 8 months ago #

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    1. I never said developed thinking-- a newly born baby can think to a degree, though. A fetus can't.

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    Posted 8 months ago #

    Andrew

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    1. it will be a human. Whether u are preventing a life, of just ending one the result is the same.

    2. No

    3. Even if a baby is created by rape, at least the mother will still love it. Also, people who adopt will love the children too.

    4. It is both their decisions, but as it has been expressed previously in this topic, it is ultimately the mother's decision. Though if number 2 were true this wouldn't matter

    I agree with Nic's extra note. It will happen, and it should be the mother's decision

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    Posted 8 months ago #

    harmlessgoat22

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    1. It depends on the level of the baby's development. It's not just like, it pops out of the mother's **** and can suddenly think. It's a gradual process. How can you say that at one moment it can't think, and then at another, it can. If that is all you are defining humanity as, then how can you say that at one moment, it is not a human, and the next, it is. To be accurate, conception is the only fundamental change a baby goes through. After that, it just grows. So, without a fundamental change, how can it start being a human? By that logic, if you think that you are a human, then you should also think you were a human from the moment of conception.

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    Posted 8 months ago #

    harmlessgoat22

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    What? Censors?

    A) V-agina is not a 4 letter word
    B) V-agina is not vulgar either

    Handing out condoms to prevent AIDS is like handing out bullet proof vests to prevent murder.

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